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Poll: Abington Memorial to Stop Doing Abortions — What do you think?

Tell us what you think about Abington Memorial Hospital's decision to stop performing abortions.

 

 

Abington Health and Holy Redeemer Health System announced a "letter of intent" to form a new regional health system.

See initial story.

In the process Abington CEO Laurence Merlis said, "[Abington Memorial Hospital] moving forward, would stop doing abortions."

Merlis said, “… we have great and deep respect for Holy Redeemer Health System and their religious traditions, as Holy Redeemer has for Abington Health and their long and rich heritage as well.”

Vote in the poll below. Also, feel free to leave a comment.

  • What do you think of Abington Memorial Hospital’s decision to stop performing abortions following the announcement of the proposed merger with Holy Redeemer?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • I applaud the hospital for changing its policy due to the proposed merger.
        235 (28%)
    • If each hospital has an independent staff, Abington should continue performing abortions.
        568 (69%)
    • This is a non-issue.
        17 (2%)
    Total votes: 820
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: Abington Abortions, Abington Holy Redeemer, Abington Hospital Merger, and Abington Memorial Hospital Stops Abortions

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Maria Gallagher

9:17 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

For the sake of women's health and safety, the hospital should continue with its plan to stop doing abortions. Abortion doesn't solve health problems--it creates more, leaving psychological scars which can last a lifetime. Ending the life of an innocent child is a practice which should not be condoned in a civilized society.

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Ruth

4:05 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Ending a life is not women's health.care. To call it such is a gross inaccuracy that leads to devaluing all life. A hospital with one wing that saves wanted babies and aborts them in another is not a hospital. The Hypocratic oath states, "I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion." Why? Because you are doing harm.

brian

9:45 am on Friday, June 29, 2012

Good to hear. Close your legs if you don't want a baby. The cost of one night of pleasure.... killing a baby. that makes sense(blatant sarcasm).

They have detected a heartbeat as early as 1 1/2 months. Stopping a heartbeat is murder. plain and simple.

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Lisa

11:29 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

Correction: A heartbeat can be detected as early as 5 weeks and six days. I should know because I was there, watching it on an ultrasound monitor.

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SusieQDiva63

10:56 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012

Or teach birth control! Oh wait that's "not allowed" either. I look at things diffierently. If "GOD" didn't want us to make such strides in the medical field, he would have killed us all off a LONG time ago with some form of plague and not provided us with the intelligence to cure diseases or create life saving medical procedures. Some pregnancy ending procedures are necessary to save a viable life. What you're implying is that ALL abortions are performed as a measure of birth control and this is not necessarily true. So maybe we should let a 33 year old mother of 3 bleed to death because she suffered a partial miscarriage because its God's will!

Jules.Mermelstein@gmail.com

11:41 am on Friday, June 29, 2012

Some women's lives depend on ending a pregnancy. That is a traumatic moment. This decision by Abington (to eliminate ALL abortions, not just elective ones) forces women to change their OBGYN at a traumatic moment in their life, to save their life. I am very disappointed in Abington's decision and, when possible, will go elsewhere. It used to be my hospital of choice. BTW, I am male but don't like women's rights taken away from them based on someone's religious belief (that has no basis in religion anyway).

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Rita Smith, M.E.V.

7:11 pm on Friday, June 29, 2012

Every abortion is a murder of an innocent baby! Fr. Frank Pavone, Priests for Life has stated over and over again, America will not reject abortion until America SEES abortion. Check out www.abortionNO.org and get your facts in what an abortion really is.

Also, Ronald Reagan once said, "that if we every stop being one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under! The poll regarding to comment on Abington Hosp. decision to stop abortion is a typical high response from the pro-aborts in our local communities.

We, as rational, reasonable citizens have allowed the blatant murder of 50 MILLION plus of our unborn children just because there are some women who don’t want the responsibility of bringing another life into this world? This core argument is “well, we don’t really know when life begins.” This statement was above Obama's pay grade when he was asked that very question before the majority of people voted for the most dangerous and pro-abortive president in our nations' history. The people with a well formed conscience, all know, that life begins at conception! We have allowed the destruction of one of the greatest ongoing gifts that God has given us...our children. We even have stooped to the point that our government wants those of us who don’t believe in abortion to pay for it, My Jesus, Mercy! Praise God for Abington Hospital for stopping the slaughter of innocent babies!

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Sally Morrow

3:30 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012

Jules: I am neither Catholic nor Jewish, but I totally agree with the rabbis who went on record protesting the proposed merger. No one views abortion lightly, but If there was an emergency with one of my daughters (my youngest is a risk for a stroke in pregnancy) and the doctors told us she would die if the pregnancy was not termnated, I would support the decision to end the pregnancy. That someone else's religion won't allow this legal option and my daughter must die is so wrong.

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AnnetteRF

3:01 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012

I'm Jewish, and I'm 100% pro-life. Yes, in ALL cases. If abortion had been legal in 1959, I would not be here to talk about it. And what firmly cemented my views against abortion were my own pregnancies, where I saw my son and two daughters on the ultrasound. I also went on to lose several late term and one earlier pregnancies, and those babies were BABIES...not blobs of cells, as those who support abortion like to say.

I WILL NOT be lied to.

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Veronica Kull

2:09 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

This is NOT a religious issue, Jules, this is a cultural and moral issue. A culture's values are depicted by the choices its members make. Choose life that you may see your descendants has been cultural for 5000 years. I applaud AMH's decision to do away with abortion. It shows respect for the life of the in utero human being. It not shows it, it does it!

Joe Koenig

3:14 pm on Friday, June 29, 2012

@Jules: We seldom agree, but in this case, to eliminate all abortions (especially medically necessary) at Abington is in my opinion reactive. I appreciate and respect Holy Redeemer's anti abortion policy, but have they taken over Abington, or is it a joint venture??? Bad move AMH!!!

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Lisa

3:32 pm on Friday, June 29, 2012

Thank you Abington Hospital! Praise God, and don't cave into any governmental pressure to do a reversal on your decision. Regarding abortion to save the life of a mother, most thinking people know that this event is exceedingly rare, and in event that the mother's life is truly at risk, what would be required would be early delivery of the fetus and heroic measures to save the lives of both the baby AND the mother. That is what doctors are supposed to do: Save lives, not kill them.

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Indian Valley Patcher

12:04 am on Saturday, June 30, 2012

Unfortunately that is not always true. A nun, who was the head of the ethics board at a Catholic Hospital was excommunicated in AZ, because she authorized an abortion for a 11 weeks pregnant woman with preeclampsia that was an immediate threat to her life. She was too fragile to move to another hospital and the mother and father wanted the abortion. The bishop that ousted the nun, stated, in a very politically correct manner, that the life of the mother was secondary to the life of the fetus. This was then backed by the Vatican. There are many misconceptions on both sides regarding the care that pregnant women are "allowed" at hospitals. I am an OB patient at Abington and still in my reproductive years. At my next appointment, I will be asking many questions to my Dr. about what care she is now permitted to provide because that is the most reliable source of information and not posts on any website. My ability to choose whether I live or die should be left to me or, if I am unable to speak for myself, my husband. Women do not lose all cilvil liberties because they are pregnant. And yes, I can make these comments and still be pro-life too. Please don't just take my word for it, this is an article from the National Catholic Reporter http://ncronline.org/news/justice/nun-excommunicated-allowing-abortion.

Lisa

4:00 pm on Friday, June 29, 2012

For those who are ignorant by accident or by choice, a Catholic hospital would deliver a fetus prematurely to save the life of the mother, and a Catholic hospital would attempt to save the life of both the baby and the mother. If the fetus died as a result of being born too early, it would not be considered an abortion. An abortion is ALWAYS the deliberate killing of a fetus.

Secondly, in a Catholic hospital a diseased organ that happened to contain a fetus would STILL be removed in order to save the life of the mother. That would result in the indirect death of the fetus, not the deliberate act of mutilating and killing the fetus. An example might be cancer of a pregnant uterus, or an ectopic pregnancy where the fallopian tube would need to be removed before it were to rupture. Your caricatures of best practices in Catholic hospitals are deceiving.

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AnnetteRF

3:05 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012

What you said is 100% correct, based on what I have read myself about Catholic teaching. My late mother, who was raised Catholic, converted to Orthodox Judaism before she met my (Jewish) father, and I was raised a Jew. But she used to claim that Catholic hospitals will always let the mother die to save the baby (she claimed this when I switched to a Catholic hospital with my 2nd pregnancy). I researched it and found out that is an old anti-Catholic wives tale. What you said is correct: The Catholics allow INDIRECT actions to save the life of the mother, even if the baby dies as a side effect of it.

Indian Valley Patcher

10:52 pm on Friday, June 29, 2012

What will happen now for Abington Reproductive Medicine which does IVF? Will the hospital discontinue that portion of medical services for women as well? How far will the hospital go now? Guess everyone is Catholic now, wether they choose to be or not.

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Annie Byrne

10:24 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012

This is good medicine. Do you really believe that doctors are okay with performing abortions? or the nurses holding cleaning up the aftermath? really, they studied to enhance and preserve life.

Mary G.

10:31 am on Saturday, June 30, 2012

They love them unil they are born....

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Judi

4:09 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

That is such an ignorant comment and you are clearly an ignorant person!

Albury Smith

10:28 am on Sunday, July 1, 2012

My maternal great-grandfather was Dr. Milton K. Neiffer of Wyncote, a very prominent ob/gyn and Episcopalian who practiced medicine until his death and burial in Old Goschenhoppen Cemetery in 1925, and one of the founders of Abington Memorial Hospital. I don't know what his views were on making patients' reproductive decisions for them, but I doubt whether he envisioned that the venerable old institution he helped to create would eventually become a Vatican annex and a victim of anti-choice hysteria.
The poll here indicates that nearly 2/3 of respondents support the rights of pregnant women, and only ~1/3 want them taken away. If you don't approve of abortion, don't have one; it's just that simple.

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Annie Byrne

10:21 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012

If he were a doctor as you say he was.......his oath he would have held up before any man, religion or hospital. He vowed to protect all life!

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Annie Byrne

10:21 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012

Abington Doctors do not want to perform abortions.....

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Marc L.

10:44 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012

Annie: Except this story here says the exact opposite -- that the Abington Doctors are opposed to the merger if it means adopting the Catholic doctrine -- http://abington.patch.com/articles/report-abington-docs-meet-to-oppose-proposed-merger

But thanks for playing "I Know What Other People Want and Think"

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Marc L.

10:52 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012

Annie: You mention what I assume is the Hippocratic Oath. While it calls to the gods Apollo & other Greek gods & goddesses (not something the Roman Catholic church would approve of) there's a modern version of the oath that reads (in part):

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, & gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.
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I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life & death. If it is given to me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness & awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.
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If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, be respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

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Doesn't sound like that oath would prevent them from performing a LEGAL abortion.

brian

10:43 am on Sunday, July 1, 2012

here's how simple it is: stopping a heartbeat is murder. whether a heartbeat is located inside another person, or of a guilty person...

THE STOPPING OF A HEARTBEAT IS MURDER! why can't you liberals be "BLEEDING HEART" for that? stop being so partisan.

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Albury Smith

11:02 am on Sunday, July 1, 2012

So where's the 'conservative' outcry to end capital punishment in the US, and why all of the GOP support for attacking the wrong country in 2003, Brian?
Since Republicans claim to abhor big government, why do they still want the government to make personal medical decisions for people they don't even know?
There's a very simple answer to those who don't approve of abortion, and it involves no coercion by anyone.

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Annie Byrne

10:19 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012

Thanks Brian - standing up for women and their children...

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AnnetteRF

3:07 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012

TRUE. If it has a beating heart, ending the beating of that heart is KILLING. The heart of the unborn child begins beating at 42 days after conception. I learned that from mt OBGYN when I was pregnant with my son in 1991.

Lisa

12:37 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012

Typical pro-abortion, pro death of innocent human life SPIN. Capital punishment can NEVER be equated with abortion. The human preborn child is an innocent human life. It should be conferred equal rights and protections, but by a law passed in 1973 that right is gone. The criminal who is executed is guilty and his or her human rights are no longer protected as retribution for the crimes he or she has committed. Next, the Roman Catholic church has not made it mandatory for all pro-life people to be anti-death penalty, and there are many Roman Catholics who are pro-death penalty, as anyone with a brain in their head can see the difference between the two acts: one act is murder and the other is death by the state. Nowhere in the Bible can you find anything indicating that capital punishment is against God. Nowhere. One's sins may be forgiven, but that does not remove the human and governmental consequences of one's actions.

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Marc L.

12:43 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012

"Capital punishment can NEVER be equated with abortion."
Except that's what brian JUST did.

brian said "here's how simple it is: stopping a heartbeat is murder. whether a heartbeat is located inside another person, or of a guilty person..."

Pro-Choice is note Pro-Abortion or Pro-Death. It's about giving a person the choice and not taking away the freedom from that person to make a decision. It boggles the mind that the conservatives who are so quick the judge and accuse the government for taking away their religious freedoms have no problem in taking away the freedoms of women everywhere because it's something they don't morally agree with.

You can't pick and choose which high horse you want to ride. Stay on or stay off. But if you choose to defend life then defend ALL life. if you choose to defend freedom then defend ALL freedom. This is not an a la carte menu.

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Albury Smith

1:41 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012

Please feel free to quote the Bible on abortion, Lisa.

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AnnetteRF

3:09 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012

Then again, some of us who are not Catholic and not bound by Catholic rules oppose BOTH abortion AND capital punishment (for convicts).

Abortion is the most heinous form of capital punishment, because it makes the mother the judge, jury and executioner of an INNOCENT person....and the child does not even get due process of law.

Lisa

12:37 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012

Next for the lying accusation that pro-lifers do not care about the lives that are born: Who are those who are supporting and volunteering for Crisis Pregnancy Centers all over the country? The pro-choicers?! No, it is those who care about both the mother AND her baby, and who are tirelessly seeking help for them in the form of diapers, formula, housing, and job placement. Catholics are the #1 providers of social services and charities worldwide, but right, Catholics don't care about mothers and their babies. I hope that there are enough thinking people her to see through the usual liberal pro-death spin that justifies abortion on demand.

Finally for those who say if you don't want an abortion don't get one, try this: if you don't like what Abington Hospital is doing, go to another hospital!

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Albury Smith

2:33 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012

I just tolerated the lying accusation that being pro-choice makes me "pro-abortion," Lisa, and that's certainly not the case. The Catholic Church is undoubtedly the #1 provider of social services and charities worldwide, and was also the #1 reason that Muslim women raped in Kosovo in the late '90s had no access to abortifacients the next day - a position totally at odds with the IPPF and UNFPA. It's now faced with the decision to provide contraception to its employees or lose government funding, and it seems oblivious to the fact that <2% of Catholic women follow its teachings on contraception, and that Catholic institutions employ many non-Catholics who need birth control too.
I also read your suggestion that I switch hospitals, and I'm not sure what qualifies you pick someone else's hospital for him. Under the new policy, AMH will most likely be spared the sanctimonious, sign-waving picketers all looking as proud as James Kopp at his sentencing hearing, and Virginia's utopian dream of forced transvaginal ultrasound probes won't find its way to my hospital either, so I'll probably just choose to stay where my doctors are.

Lisa

3:24 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012

Thinking people know that "pro-choice" is "pro giving the right to women to murder their preborn child, a child who has a separate set of DNA, a separate brain, and a separate set of organs, etc." When you are "pro" the right of "some" women to murder their offspring, then you are in fact pro-abortion and pro-death in those selected cases.

Pro-choice is a euphemism for pro-murder-of-innocent life. It is anti-human-rights, and it is anti-science, since it states that the life who breaths, moves, hears, and sees in utero is not a human being and therefore not really a life but a "blob of cells" ---WHEN it's mother doesn't want it. And yet if the mother does want the child at the same gestational age, and that child is killed by negligent homicide/manslaughter in a car accident or drive-by shooting, then that child is suddenly a person. So to recap. Unwanted = not a person; wanted = a person.

This is the insane law of the land that you support, and it's amazing that people like you think that just because an unjust law is passed, that makes it morally right. Slavery was wrong but it was once the law of the land. Just because Roe v. Wade is the law doesn't mean it should stay the law. It is an unjust law that makes the woman the sole arbiter of life and death over an innocent human being, irrespective of anyone's wishes, including the father's. It is woman's lib gone off the deep end. I choose to speak up for the rights of those who cannot speak for themselves.

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Albury Smith

6:38 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012

Thinking people make their own reproductive decisions, Lisa, and realize that pro-choice means exactly that. The 2010 Citizens United v FEC decision's also "the insane law of the land that you [presumably] support," and is much more worthy of your concern than Roe.
Regardless of how much the US Constitution makes Rick Santorum want to puke, the current flap is over contraception, not abortion, and no one's forcing anyone to pay for abortions.

Lisa

3:40 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012

@Albury, I'm not sure what qualifies you to tell me that because you support abortion, I and others like me should pay for it. You don't like the suggestion that you change hospitals. I don't like the suggestion that if someone believes abortion is murder and wants it to be illegal, the answer to that is "just don't have an abortion." That is the usual employment of the absurd that is used to bypass the legitimacy of someone else's point on this very important issue.

The HHS mandate is not about Catholics forcing others not to get abortions. The crux of the HHS mandate is that the government is suddenly deciding what makes an institution "religious enough" to exercise its own religious freedom. This is unprecented and anti-constitutional. This government definition has been narrowed purposely so as to become untenable for Catholic hospitals and universities to operate while remaining genuinely Catholic. Which is the whole point. Government makes it impossible for them to operate, it then removes its funding, they shut their doors, and government takes them over.

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Lisa

7:19 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012

Albury, you wrote: "the current flap is over contraception, not abortion, and no one's forcing anyone to pay for abortions." Your statement is patently false. The HHS mandate originally stipulated that every employer must provide health care insurance that includes the following: contracteption, abortifacient drugs, abortion, and sterilization. At the 11th hour on a Friday, the Administration issued a false "compromise" that stated that although dissenting organizations such as Catholic hospitals and universities (neither of which meets the deliberately narrow classification as "religious" under the Administration's new definition) now do not have to directly provide such coverage, the health care insurance providers that they do use then themselves must provide such coverage as part of a separate plan. Only problelm is that the dissenting organizations still end up paying for these services and still end up stuck with health care insurance providers that provide coverage for pharmaceuticals and procedures that directly go against their own beliefs.

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Lisa

9:52 pm on Sunday, July 1, 2012

Albury: You wrote "feel free to quote the Bible on abortion, Lisa." First of all it is a fallacy to say that because something is not mentioned in a document, this indicates that the document *condones* the thing that is not stated. The Bible does not mention all possible crimes, such as inhumane torture of a prisoner, but that doesn't prove that the Bible endorses such action. Second, the Bible is FULL of passages that indicate that the preborn child is not only a person, but a person with an immortal soul, forknown by God before conception. I do not have time to pull out every single verse beginning in the Torah and extending into at least the Psalms. Finally the word "abortion" is first mentioned in the oldest church document outside of the New Testament, and it was written around the same time as the book of Acts, or somewhere between 50 A.D. (earliest) and 100 A. D. (latest) Many of the original Apostles are believed to have collaborated on this document, which codifies the earliest rules of behavior and doctrines of the church. Here is the Didache:

http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/the_fathers_know_best/2011/10/the-d.html

In the Didache it states:

You shall not commit murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not commit pederasty, you shall not commit fornication, you shall not steal, you shall not practice magic, you shall not practice witchcraft, *you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill that which is born.*

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Albury Smith

8:00 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

Lisa:
You just stated that "Nowhere in the Bible can you find anything indicating that capital punishment is against God. Nowhere." You also said that "anyone with a brain in their head can see the difference between the two acts [terminating a pregnancy and executing a criminal]." I have a brain in my head, and your subsequent statement that "it is a fallacy to say that because something is not mentioned in a document, this indicates that the document *condones* the thing that is not stated" is a non-sequitur, as well as being a high-order exemplar of self-serving and hypocritical sophistry.

Not only does the Bible fail to proscribe abortion in unambiguous terms, it's replete with approving references to aborting fetuses, usually of women who are deemed "sluts" (to borrow Rush Limbaugh's term for women who have sex out of wedlock), as well as to punish enemies. It also approves of infanticide if the kid's unfortunate enough not to meet Biblical criteria, and it even sanctions the execution of "sluts." The Church itself has been inconsistent on the topic at various times in its history - at one point distinguishing between "quickening" and that 'blob of cells" you mentioned, and permitting abortion for the latter, so things aren't as absolute as you think they are.
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Albury Smith

8:00 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

(cont. from previous post)
Religiously-affiliated hospitals and other institutions are not religious institutions in their own right, and are subject to secular law. No one is requiring you to pay for anyone's abortion, despite the fact that they're perfectly legal in the US within the Roe v Wade restrictions, but you don't get to choose what prescriptions other women take unless you opt out of government funding. If that makes you and Rick Santorum want to puke, please don't do it all over our Constitution.

Albury Smith

8:02 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

note: divided post in wrong sequence.

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Albury Smith

8:16 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

(at least preliminarily.) :-)

Lisa

8:50 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

Hi Albury,

It's always fun to open up my inbox and find more of your interesting material. My two initial statements speaking of the difference between capital punishment and abortion have no relation to the third statement, indicating that the lack of a mention of something doesn't indicate the promotion of that thing.

I challenge you to find evidence to support your two claims:

1) The Bible is replete with approving references to aborting fetuses, usually of women who are deemed "sluts" It also approves of infanticide if the kid's unfortunate enough not to meet Biblical criteria, and it even sanctions the execution of "sluts."
2) The Church itself has been inconsistent on the topic at various times in its history - at one point distinguishing between "quickening" and that 'blob of cells" you mentioned, and permitting abortion for the latter.

Find it: Go ahead and find it here for instance (and try to restrict your answers to the topic of abortion and not execution of an adulterer under the old covenant):

http://www.openbible.info/topics/womb

You are asking this readership to accept that God, the Bible, and the Church have ever accepted abortion as a moral good, and this I find laughable.

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Lisa

8:55 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

Albury wrote:

"Religiously-affiliated hospitals and other institutions are not religious institutions in their own right, and are subject to secular law."

This must be a deliberately misleading statement. They are religious institutions with their own bylaws. They do receive federal funding. The secular law is supposed to uphold the rights of religious organizations, even those who receive federal funding, to operate on the basis of their own religious convictions. The government in seeking to pass Obamacare and shove the HHS mandate down the throats of America, has redefined the criteria upon which an organization can now be deemed "religious." The definition is now so narrow that most erstwhile religious organizations no longer fall under this category. This has been a hostile takeover by the government as part of a larger socialistic plan. Most thinking people can see that. The rest who can think know this is happening and want it to happen, and that is because they hate the Church and religion in general and want to see it stamped out in their lifetime.

"No one is requiring you to pay for anyone's abortion,"

The HHS mandate will require religious institutions to pay for abortions. Period. That is what we were discussing, but nice attempt to deflect.

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Lisa

8:58 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

Albury: Since you appear not to have a clear understanding at all of this issue, I will supply this statement written by the USCCB:

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/religious-liberty/march-14-statement-on-religious-freedom-and-hhs-mandate.cfm

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Lisa

9:03 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

Since you also do not seem to have a clear understanding of how the Constitution was designed to protect religious liberties and the free exercise thereof, here are some tasty quotes by Thomas Jefferson:

"I consider the government of the United States as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment or free exercise of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the United States. Certainly, no power to prescribe any religious exercise or to assume authority in religious discipline has been delegated to the General Government. It must then rest with the states, as far as it can be in any human authority." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Miller, 1808. ME 11:428

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Lisa

9:03 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

"In matters of religion, I have considered that its free exercise is placed by the Constitution independent of the powers of the general government. I have therefore undertaken on no occasion to prescribe the religious exercises suited to it; but have left them as the Constitution found them, under the direction and discipline of State or Church authorities acknowledged by the several religious societies." --Thomas Jefferson: 2nd Inaugural Address, 1805. ME 3:378

"Our Constitution... has not left the religion of its citizens under the power of its public functionaries, were it possible that any of these should consider a conquest over the consciences of men either attainable or applicable to any desirable purpose." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply to New London Methodists, 1809. ME 16:332

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Lisa

9:04 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

"I do not believe it is for the interest of religion to invite the civil magistrate to direct its exercises, its discipline, or its doctrines; nor of the religious societies, that the General Government should be invested with the power of effecting any uniformity of time or matter among them. Fasting and prayer are religious exercises. The enjoining them, an act of discipline. Every religious society has a right to determine for itself the times for these exercises and the objects proper for them according to their own particular tenets; and this right can never be safer than in their own hands where the Constitution has deposited it... Everyone must act according to the dictates of his own reason, and mine tells me that civil powers alone have been given to the President of the United States, and no authority to direct the religious exercises of his constituents." --Thomas Jefferson to Samuel Miller, 1808. ME 11:429

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Albury Smith

9:33 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

You just built a house of cards under the questionable notion that religiously-affiliated hospitals are religious institutions, Lisa dear. Jeffersonian Democracy is not your friend here. :-)

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Lisa

9:38 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

Insults and condescension do not help your case. If religious hospitals were never religious institutions to begin with, there would be no controversy. I do not care to dance with you on this issue, as you will simply keep flinging insults rather than being able to speak intelligently on the issues. I hope that one day, even if you never embrace the Church's teaching on abortion, you will see that abortion is a human rights issue and that the only hypocrisy here is a government that protects the rights of the unborn when it is wanted but supports the murder of the unborn when it is unwanted. God bless you, and take care.

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Albury Smith

11:03 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

I've simply tried to address your specious attempts to justify the belief that our government and public institutions have the right to force their abortion views on people who don't share them, Lisa, especially interested parties to a specific pregnancy. It's hard to imagine anything more insulting and condescending than your position on this issue, and it wasn't my intent to reciprocate.
You've now achieved a resounding victory at AMH, and want to impose it on the whole country by overturning Roe v Wade, completely disregarding the fact that many of us are not practicing Catholics, and will "never embrace the Church's teaching on abortion." Since criminalizing abortion at any stage of pregnancy is the ultimate goal, and Prohibition taught us the importance of coherent and effective law enforcement policy, please tell me what you think the penalty should be for women who still opt for it.
Thanks in advance.

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Lisa

11:23 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

No ma'am, that statement is in and of itself specious, since that is not what was being dicussed. My personal opinion that Roe v. Wade should be overturned has no bearing on the topic at hand, which was initially whether Catholic hospitals or hospitals that have merged with Catholic hospitals should have the right to refuse to perform abortions. Next we talked about the HHS mandate and whether the government should have the right to impose a mandate on a Catholic hospital or any other religious institution that directly conflicts with its own beliefs and bylaws, thus jeapardizing religious liberty. That I interjected my opinion concerning Roe v. Wade as being an unjust law has nothing to do with public institutions forcing abortion views on the public. AMH is not a public institution, and it is now merged with a Catholic hospital, thus changing the game. A private insitution has a right to its own bylaws, much like the Boy Scouts has a right not to allow homosexual scout masters. A private religious institution has a right not only to its own bylaws but to its own set of religious convictions, and a hospital or university is no exception to this. If it does not have this right, then it is absurd that it should be able to take the name "Catholic" at all.

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Lisa

11:27 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

Next you imply that those who are against abortion and want to see Roe v. Wade overturned are a threat to those who are not practicing Catholics, who necessarily must have an opposing view. This ignores the atheist/agnostic pro-lifers, the Jewish pro-lifers, the secular science pro-lifers, and so on. You engage in another fallacy which is to suggest that because I am pro life and because I am Catholic, only Catholics are pro-life.

As far as your question regarding what should happen to a woman who would defy the law of the land (should Roe v. Wade be overturned) and murder her innocent pre born child: The result should be the same as if she gave birth to it and then stabbed it to death. I see no difference.

I will bet you believe that the government has no right to "legistlate morality" and therefore abortion must be permitted, blithely ignoring that any law on the books is an attempt to legislate morality.

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Lisa

11:43 am on Monday, July 2, 2012

Hi Indian Valley Patcher:

I just read the article you supplied. Thank you very much for it. I am reserving my opinion for now. There is much that is not stated in the article, but besides that, I have questions about what you wrote. You wrote:

"11 weeks pregnant woman with preeclampsia" It said it was pulmonary hypertension, which is different.

"She was too fragile to move to another hospital and the mother and father wanted the abortion. The bishop that ousted the nun, stated, in a very politically correct manner, that the life of the mother was secondary to the life of the fetus. This was then backed by the Vatican."

These statements are not supported by the article, so I was wondering if you read these somewhere else?

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Indian Valley Patcher

11:35 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Yes, I have read many articles. The majority explain it as preeclampsia, maybe to simplify it. I cited the most recent article I read. If you google "excommunicated nun" you will find many. Hope this helps.

Albury Smith

12:03 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012

The topic here is a (suddenly) CATHOLIC institution, Lisa, not the "[non-] practicing Catholics...atheist/agnostic pro-lifers, the Jewish pro-lifers, the secular science pro-lifers, and so on." It's absurd to accuse me of ignoring them, when you're obviously ignoring the rights of every pro-choicer in the world. A private institution does have a right to its own bylaws, but AMH is not a private institution when it accepts public money.

You also ducked my question about legal penalties for the new class of criminals you want to create, so please dispense with the red herrings and interject your opinion on that.

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Lisa

1:03 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012

Your illogical thinking is mind boggling. If the legalization of abortion created unjust laws to begin with, then the so-called "rights" of pro-choicers are built on a house of sand.

It is hilarious that you say I am ducking the question when I just wrote to you that I see no difference between a woman who murders her own baby snuggled in her womb versus a woman who gives birth to her baby and then stabs it to death. In whatever way the laws would apply to a woman who commits infanticide, those laws should apply to a woman who aborts her baby and to the doctors and nurses who aid and abet that abortion. Asked and answered.

Next you completely avoid any evidence I present to you that proves your shrill accusations to be false, such as bible verses that speak of the infant in the womb, or the fact that the same apostles who wrote the books of the New Testament also wrote the Didache, which expressly forbids both abortion and infanticide.

Your responses are getting increasing hysterical. You aren't going to succeed in bullying me by your typical liberal ad hominem attacks into backing down. People who support abortion cannot do anything but squawk about women's so-called "rights" to murder innocent life. Abortion is anti human, anti-science, and anti-morality, and it is build on a pack of lies that we have been force-fed ever since the rabid women's lib movement hijacked the real women's lib movement, which had to do with pay, voting, and property.

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Annie Byrne

10:17 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012

Hey, You go Girl............I am a feminist for Life - Check them out. Abortion hurts women and kills children
http://www.feministsforlife.org/voices/index.htm

Lisa

1:04 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012

And by the way, you would make a *great* politician :-)

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Albury Smith

3:31 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012

"[My] illogical thinking is mind boggling" to you, but it's apparently logical in your book to beg the question and claim that "IF the legalization of abortion created unjust laws to begin with, then the so-called 'rights' of [everyone who disagrees with you] are built on a house of sand." My question regarding legal penalties for women who become criminals if Roe v Wade is overturned was asked but not answered the first time around, and I'm glad I asked again.
Susan Smith, who was nutty as squirrel poop and had been repeatedly molested as a child, drowned her 2 little innocent toddlers who were fully sentient while gasping for air in a sinking car, and for that she's serving a life sentence in some dump in South Carolina. By your more logical thinking, terminating a first-trimester pregnancy should be deemed comparable by the courts, and should warrant the same punishment, so it's fortunate that you're not making US law.
You're also ignoring Biblical verses that don't say what you want, have no comment on the historical inconsistencies in the Vatican's view on abortion, and claim that someone who resents your heavy-handed bullying of pregnant women and their advocates is actually bullying you - a classic case of projection. "*Great* politicians" are as scarce as publicly-funded institutions that can legally promote their own religious agenda under the US Constitution, but I'm sure you meant it as a compliment. :-)

Lisa

3:45 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012

It's funny. You have done a boatload of projection, and yet I was able to refrain from playing armchair psychologist. Still waiting for evidence to back up your claims. Still waiting for chapter and verse as well as proof AMH's funding stream.

I am not willing to keep dancing back and forth with this. Go ahead and get your parting shot. I'm sure that will make you feel morally superior to me, even though you "love and practice a lie," which is that abortion is morally good, acceptable, ethical; that the life of the fetus is of lesser value because it is smaller; that fetuses are persons when wanted but nonpersons when not wanted; that abortion should be available on demand.

Since Roe v. Wade is still very much the law of this land, I'm really not sure why your panties are in a bunch about my own personal opinions on this issue, but go ahead and keep foaming at the mouth and get that last word in. It will massage your ego, but it won't help you in the end, when you have to make an account to God after you die.

P.S. If you scroll you will land on the part where I answered your question. There is still numbing silence on your part where I showed you Bible verses to prove the personhood of the preborn fetus and the ancient document written by the Apostles indicating that abortion and infanticide are prohibited. Cheers, and I will not be answering another one of your parting shots. God help you, for what you champion is evil.

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Albury Smith

4:30 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012

How could I feel morally superior to you when I champion something that's evil, Lisa? Your cherry-picked Biblical text doesn't address putting women in prison for life if they violate the law changes you support, so you might want to keep looking. God will have an easier time judging me now that you've done all of the heavy lifting for her.
"Cheers," if the little Energizer Bunny finally did run out of milliamperes...

Ernie Peacock

8:26 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012

I encourage all people who are pro-choice and utilize AMH physicians, services or facilities to transfer their care elsewhere. I have utilized AMH neurology, ophthalmology, dermatology, GI, and pain management physicians and have had bloodwork and radiology services performed their multiple times. No more. I am switching all of my care to other providers.

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Albury Smith

9:21 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012

Good idea, Ernie. You and I probably see some of the same doctors, and I agree with you that patients have to express their displeasure over this, whether it does any good or not. The next time I visit a urologist, neurologist, dermatologist, ophthalmologist, or other specialist affiliated with Abington, I intend to register my complaint and try to find out more about possible courses of action, since most of my doctors are probably as disgusted by this turn of events as I am. AMH and HR are pretty much the only game in town for our zip code, but I wouldn't rule out traveling farther and changing some of my doctors. My wife and I provide plenty of income to AMH every year, and leaving may be the only way to get through to the administrators who are behind this travesty.

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SusieQDiva63

12:48 pm on Wednesday, July 11, 2012

Ernie, your statement her reiterates why I was such a HUGE supporter of you while residing in Abington. Come up the road a bit to WG! We need someone like you here!

solanum

9:40 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012

I've been a patient of Abington physicians my entire life. 22 months ago I gave birth to my first child at AMH and bragged to my "natural" parent friends, who claim home births are the best way to go, how wonderful my hospital experience was there. As my husband and I plan our second child, I find myself wondering how I can support AMH after a decision like this. I fully support Holy Redeemer's right to steer their health care services by their religious beliefs. I will happily choose a different provider. But to have my secular community hospital with an independent staff run over by these religious views is devastating to me. Regardless of how you personally feel about abortion, taking away the rights of women based on your religious views is just wrong. I can't see how I will continue to support AMH after this news.

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Albury Smith

10:09 pm on Monday, July 2, 2012

Thanks for commenting, solanum. The minority on this issue is usually more strident than we are, and I was glad to see some comments in support of my view. Hearing them from someone who's happily making a family is especially significant.
Best wishes for as many little bundles of joy as you and your husband want, whether it's 2 or a house full.

Sharon Presser

2:15 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

Shame on you Abington Hospital for taking the rights of women away...you used to be better than that.

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AnnetteRF

3:13 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012

They haven't taken any legitimate "rights of women" away. I'm a woman and I celebrate their decision!

And FWIW, I was actively "pro-choice" for a number of years, before I got pregnant with my son in 1991. What I learned during that pregnancy (through my ultrasounds) changed me on this issue. During that pregnancy I also learned for the first time from my mother that she was faced with a medical situation in 1959 when pregnant with me that would have been a classic case for abortion if it had been legal (thankfully it was not then!) Doctors predicted I would be stillborn due to a medical condition she had, but I wasn't. What if abortion had been legal and she had listened to her dr who said I would not be born alive?

Betsy Townsend

2:45 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

I too am appalled by the proposal to limit women's health care at AMH, my community hospital. As a woman who has experienced gynecological problems that required a D & E, I can attest to the necessity of this procedure, more commonly known as an abortion. The religion beliefs of some should not prevent me from receiving the medical care I need. Medical decisions are best left to the individuals and their health care providers; uninvited interference from religious organizations has no place in the process.
PS I am a thinking person and I am not squawking.

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Indian Valley Patcher

11:41 pm on Wednesday, July 4, 2012

I still haven't found out about curtailments to fertility treatments.

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Marc L.

12:37 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012

And you won't. That's a cash cow for AMH! They'll continue to provide fertility treatments and play God in that sense without batting an eyelash at the idea. The Bible cherry pickers don't have a problem when people want to use science to create a life that God (or human nature perhaps?) otherwise didn't allow, but the moment a woman wants to take the choice into her own hands to prevent that life from ever happening it becomes sinful (even though it's completely legal) and unGodly.

And don't get me started on the Church's continued battle against birth control. Are they determined to take all of the fun out of sex?

Linda Bnnnn

3:04 pm on Saturday, July 7, 2012

I will no longer patronize Abington Hospital until they lift their ban on abortions. This is a step backwards and women have fought long and hard for the last 50 years to make abortions legal. Linda

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AnnetteRF

3:14 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012

"Pro-choice" does NOT speak for me. And I AM a woman.

Lucy F.

8:32 pm on Saturday, July 7, 2012

I am quite sad about having to find new providers. I finally found docs I like in the AMH system, but cannot live with this new policy. Not just because of the abortion debate, but because Catholic hospitals are now mandated (2010) to keep a body alive with nutrition and hydration even when in a vegetative state. So if I am brain dead and in a Catholic hospital, my husband will have to have my body moved to a new hospital in order to follow my end-of-life wishes. If AMH is adopting Catholic values, then presumably they will also adopt this mandate. No thanks. I subscribe to the neurological view - life begins (and ends) when the brain begins (and ends) functioning. If my brain is dead, I am no longer alive.

I will defend to the utmost everyone's right to their own beliefs, but resent having others' beliefs forced on me.

AMH was one of the deciding factors in selecting our house [sigh]. A big healthy system with great doctors. Now I will have to travel to see doctors. I wonder how many AMH doctors will decide to leave too...

And I'm not religious at all - I'm a well-educated individual, who has considered this issue from all sides. I have read the arguments from all angles, and made an informed decision. Incidentally, in accordance with my beliefs, I am vehemently opposed to the death penalty - no human being has the right to take the life of another. But if I choose to bring my own life to an end, I should have that right. It's my life.

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Betty Smith

7:14 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012

I do believe in Freedom of Religion. I do not understand how the Catholic Church (and its hospitals) can inflict their beliefs on people of other religions. Somehow through this merger, the Catholic Church has inflicted its beliefs on all of the people in Abington, regardless of their religious beliefs. Those who choose to go to Abington Hospital but who are not Catholic now have to find another hospital..and where would that be? Abington Hospital and its doctors (Catholic or not) are outstanding. I do not understand why in this merger the larger, more profitable hospital decided to cave to the wishes of the smaller, less profitable hospital. As it was, Holy Redeemer did not allow its physicians, regardless of their religious beliefs or the religious beliefs of their patients to prescribe birth control pills. Is that next for Abington?

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Sally Morrow

3:54 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012

Dear Betty:
I, too believe in freedom of religion, but am baffled as to how one religion can dictate to others that do not share the same beliefs. Another example is that the Catholic Bishops are fighting the requirement to provide insurance that covers birth control for their (non-church) employees citing freedom of religion. Does this mean that Jehovah's witnesses, who do not beleive in blood transfusions, can opt out of coveragefor transfusions for their non-Jehovah's Witness employees? Why does any religious group get to dictate to anyone outside their flock?

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AnnetteRF

3:15 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012

Well, its like what those who support legal abortion like to say to those of us who are pro-life: "Don't want an abortion? Don't have one!"

If you don't like the hospital's new policy, go somewhere else. Its that simple.

Annie Byrne

10:11 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012

Good for you ABINGTON Hospital!!!! I applaud you. Doctors - take an oath to preserve life not end it. Finally - Doctors and administrators that are not afraid to turn away a buck for a life!!!
Nice,
God Bless all of you.........Annie Byrne

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Annie Byrne

10:13 pm on Tuesday, July 10, 2012

Doctors are preserving life! not a religious issue.

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mamakerr

10:16 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012

Holy Redeemer has been on the brink of bankruptcy for quite sometime. Abington, has maintained a thriving, growing medical community since its inception. How then, is the institution looking for salvation (from closing its doors), allowed to dictate the terms of service to be provided? Abington is a non-secular facility that has been successfully caring for its diverse community for years.To subscribe to the doctrine of a singular faith will remove its position as a non-secular community healthcare system. That is unacceptable to me.

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SusieQDiva63

11:07 am on Wednesday, July 11, 2012

By the way, ever heard of the first ammendment????? "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"

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Allie A.

12:31 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012

If we all followed the Bible for how we perform modern medicine, most of us would likely be dead by now. So why are we listening to religious beliefs regarding abortion? I lost a significant amount of respect for Abington Hospital.

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Nick Murray

11:28 am on Thursday, July 12, 2012

I don't see it as a religious decision for AMH. It is a business decision. They have every right to decide what procedures they conduct as well as what is served in the cafeteria.

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AnnetteRF

3:17 pm on Friday, July 13, 2012

Seventh-Day Adventists do not eat meat; they are vegetarian. Because of this, their hospitals (such as Washington Adventist Hospital in DC, and Loma Linda Medical Center in CA) do not serve meat in their cafeterias. No one complains about this. A religious hospital HAS EVERY RIGHT to do as they wish according to their religious faith. If you don't like it you can go elsewhere.

Score One For Life

9:39 pm on Saturday, July 14, 2012

Score one for the innocent. Women can take their choice elsewhere. Yes, there are instances when it's a choice between the life of mom or baby, but where I work, I hear daily the question "was it planned?" and our docs refer to planned parenthood for those women anyway, never to other Abington providers. I fully support this move. Also, I have listened to descriptions of providers of the sterile process of an abortion. Women seeking advice are given a sterile diluted version of the barbarism that takes place on the little life inside them. How many women would choose termination if the graphic truth of their choice was made plain to them?

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Harvey Arellano

9:02 pm on Monday, July 16, 2012

Awesome! Abortion should never be an option. Without the right to life, all other rights are meaningless. I support you wholeheartedly Abington. Let freedom ring for all, born and unborn!

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Marianne Lacey

9:19 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Since hospitals are supposed to protect and heal I think it is an awesome idea!

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Micaiah Bilger

10:50 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

I strongly support Abington's decision to end abortions. The jobs of doctors and nurses are to preserve life, not destroy it. Abortions not only kill the innocent but they also have negative effects on the mother's health and wellbeing.

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Albury Smith

3:04 pm on Thursday, September 6, 2012

I strongly support their decision not to merge with Holy Redeemer, as do many of their staff.

Kelly

11:43 am on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

I am hoping that the ban on abortions at AMH stands up. Abortion is neither a Catholic issue, nor a religious issue, but a moral issue. We have laws against murder that should apply to all human life. Location and size of the person should not matter. We fought to save the bald eagle because the eggshells were too fragile, but human babies have no rights.

Abortion proponents call this "women's rights" or "health care," but a woman never has the right to end the life of another, especially her own child. I find it appalling that there are parents and grandparents who are fighting for the ability to kill their children and grandchildren. The child in the womb is a separate person from the mother. It is a dependent person, but so is any child--a day, a week, a month, a year old.

Just because something has been determined to be the law of the land doesn't mean that it is a moral law. Slavery was legal and the Supreme Court determined that slaves were not people either. That was clearly immoral and unjust. So is abortion. When does the child get rights?

The vast majority of women who have abortions are not under any health threat, nor have they been raped. Many women have multiple abortions. Perhaps those of you who are pro-choice but claim to be against abortion are really bothered by the lack of services provided to mothers who are unprepared for pregnancy and motherhood. What are you doing about that?

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Jeanne K. Campagna

2:22 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Jeanne
Kelly was right on. I agree. I am happy that AMH has agreed to ban abortions but I am concerned about what will happen down the road. Since this all about money, I pray that HRH will be able to stand up to their principles. Merlis and Laign said that the new entity would be a secular organization. This statement appeared in the Sunday Inquirer. So, you see already, a plan is in the works. I called Michael Laign's office yesterday and spoke with his secretary and was promised a call back from him. I haven't heard as of yet. Anyone interested in this comment made in the Inquirer should also call Mr. Laign's office at HRH for an explaination. Peace

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Patricia Dowling

3:52 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

I applaud Abington Hospital for their decision to stop killing unborn children.

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Virginia Griffith

3:58 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

I am appalled that a well respected, community hospital would agree to merge with a Catholic hospital and cave in to their anti abortion demands.
Abington Hospital has a mission to serve all of its patients without reservation. This is just one more attack on women's rights and another example of the power of a small segment of our population to get their way regardless.
The matter was handled poorly. Mr Merlis did not contact staff before he made this deal
This is a sad day for AMH and its mission to be a community hospital that has served its people without concern for their religion or lack thereof.
Women in the community must speak out for their right to choose what happens in their private life.

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Hannah

1:04 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

About 50% of unborn children are females.

I support women's rights...
a woman's right to be born
a woman's right to live
a woman's right to not be violently killed...when most defenseless and vulnerable...

Judi

4:19 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

The "Pro-Abortion" people on this thread should really take their grievances to President Obama and his fund sucking ObamaCare legislation. Abington had to merge w/ Holy Redeemer, Jefferson was looking to buy HR and Abington knew they could never complete....especially with all of the new costs that will be put on hospitals, doctors and patients. So send your crying e-mails to the White House...or maybe you should vote for someone else come November.

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Paul Cosgrove

4:20 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

It's a life not a choice! Abortion will go down in history as the greatest holocaust ever, with the US at the forefront. God Bless America, for how much longer?

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Lori Peters

4:49 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Why is it OK to kill a life before it's born but not after? Why is it OK to choose one life over another? Tests & doctors can be wrong. Why make such a drastic & life-changing decision based on the POSSIBILITY of a problem? Also, more abortions are done because the child is considered an inconvenience. What is needed is more talk about building up girls so they don't need to have sex to feel wanted, stronger families, and a greater emphasis on personal responsibility. What is not needed is more birth control i. e. the pill, the Depo shot etc. b/c that only leads to promiscuity and ultimately more abortions.

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Virginia Griffith

4:51 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

We know what this is about and it is not Obama care.
It is about the right wing doing everything possible to take this country back to the days when many were second class citizens, including women
We have fought too har to get equality for ALL
The other thing that it is about is MONEY

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Hannah

1:00 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

@Virginia Griffith: I agree, we should continue to fight until our nation recognized that ALL are "created equal"...which is why I support life for the unborn child. The unborn, too, deserve life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

We have already denied the basic right of life (without which the other two are obsolete) to 50 million of our unborn brothers and sisters. Our country is, indeed being taken back to the days when the right of the more powerful was used to suppress rights for the less powerful--the vulnerable--the ones without a voice.

Judi

5:36 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

I'm gonna guess Virginia that you are a bitter baby boomer...my Mom talks about how this generation destroyed the true feminist. I'm so glad you women worked so hard to get women to be so respected. Now women are expected to pump their bodies up with hormones, silicone...and then if God forbid our body works correctly and we get pregnant...we are expected to dispose (kill) the problem.
I'm also so confused by your "right-wing" accusations...you do realize Jim Crow laws were a result of Democrats legislation...s

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Virginia Griffith

9:30 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Judi
You are wrong on several counts
1 . I am not a baby boomer I am not bitter. I am older than a baby boomer
2. I have had a very successful life, career, marriage and I am quite wealthy
3. By the way, the Democrats that you blame were not the progressive Democrats of today but rather the Dixiecrats of the first half of the twentieth century who had more in common with the KKK than the progressive Republicans of that same period.
Think Robert La Follette and Teddy Roosevelt
The only reason they were Democrats is because of their hatred for that liberal Abraham Lincoln.
Today the political parties have done a complete reversal of that period.
The Republicans have become the reactionaries and the Democrats are the social progressives.
I think that you should also understand that when my mother was born, she did not have the right to vote. That Was 98years ago
The struggle that women have had has been long and hard and WE are not going backwards.

Michael J. Miller

7:24 pm on Tuesday, July 17, 2012

Abortion does not treat or prevent a pathology. It is not a medical procedure but a form of social engineering. It also remains extremely controversial in the U.S., going on 40 years after Roe v. Wade, with half of the population objecting to this legalized attack on human lives. Local residents have held regular protests against abortion at Abington Hospital for over thirty years! The planned merger with Holy Redeemer Health Care System is a welcome opportunity for Abington Hospital to "spin off" that part of its "services" and focus its resources on quality medical care.

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Hannah

12:53 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

@Michael J. Miller: Well and succinctly said...keep up your support for life!

Hannah

12:51 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Abington Memorial, your decision to stop performing abortions is positive on several counts, for:
the merger
the mother
the child
our community
my generation (50 million of my brothers and sisters have already been denied life)
and more!
I know more than a few people in the Abington/Philadelphia area who would support your decision to cease performing abortions.
Thank you!

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Harvey Arellano

8:40 am on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

I challenge all pro-abortion minded people to seize their challenges of choice, feminism, and politics and see what a real abortion is all about. Visit YouTube and view 'Silent Scream' from beginning to end, then proceed to 'AbortionNO.org.' If you had the guts to watch these all the way through and at the end of these films still see abortion as "progressive" then God be with you.

Thousands and thousands of abortion doctors & workers have changed their minds because of these films, including the very women who's names are represented in Roe vs Wade and Doe vs Bolton.

If they can change, so..can..you.

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Marc L.

3:20 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012

Women who use Abington Hospital will continue to have the right to choose. The meger has been shut down.

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