Gov. Corbett: Flags at Half-Staff for JoePa
Long-time PSU coach Joe Paterno died yesterday at age 85.
Governor Tom Corbett said on his Twitter feed this morning that he's ordered all Pennsylvania flags at state facilities to fly at half-staff in honor of long-time Penn State University football coach Joe Paterno, who died of complications from lung cancer yesterday at age 85.
Given the controversy that surrounded the closing months of Paterno's life and career, how do you feel about Corbett's decision?
Mary Keptke
10:56 am on Monday, January 23, 2012
JoePA was a great man and he deserves every honor.
Tom Corbett is trying to save his political career. He was on the PSU board for months and he did nothing. I challenge Tom Corbett to do an eighth of the good Joe Paterno has done in his lifetime. PSU Alumni is very republican and they know how Corbett played a part in the Penn State scandal. To little to late Tom. Kiss your career goodbye.
Dr Steven Greene
11:07 am on Monday, January 23, 2012
If you look at the entire body of work I think most people would consider Joe Paterno to be someone who improved the lives of people around him and inspired people to excel. Clearly he dedicated his career and life to serving PSU.
Marc L.
11:22 am on Monday, January 23, 2012
Joe Paterno was a man...he was not a God. He was succeptable to the same errors and mistakes as anyone else. His legacy will remain tarnished because he turned his head away from the real victims of Sandusky's abuse and, as a result, I think that the stink on his reputation is deserved.
No one deserves to die of cancer as it's a terrible disease. But no one deserves to be raped and have people who could do something to end it keep quiet in order to prevent the sullied reputation of a university or its sports program.
Let's not make Paterno into a villain because he's not the criminal here. But let's also not make him into a hero because a real hero would have stopped what was going on and not let it continue to happen. Flags flying at half-staff should be a special honor and I think that Paterno does not deserve it, no matter how much good he did for the PSU community and the Happy Valley area prior to his death.
Sue Taylor
11:40 am on Monday, January 23, 2012
Well said!
Josephine
4:46 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
right on knowing about a crime might still be called a conspiracy.
Kathryn Petz
8:44 am on Wednesday, January 25, 2012
Perfectly put. Joe Paterno was a flawed human, like we all are, who did some good. However, his willful blindness resulted in ruined lives and that will always be a part of his legacy as well. I am saddened by his death, I am saddened by the pain felt by his family and to all who mourn him, but the Penn State board did what they needed to do. I think Tom Corbett is making a purely political move to cover his behind and atone to the angry Penn State Community. I can understand their anger even if I disagree. I cannot respect the spinelessness of the Governor who showed some of the same blindness as Attorney General.
Barney Doe
11:23 am on Monday, January 23, 2012
The members of the PSU Board that fired him & broke his heart should be flown at half mast, that is hung from the flagpole halfway up.
Sue Taylor
11:29 am on Monday, January 23, 2012
Joe Paterno was the head coach of a college football team. I thought flying flags at half-staff was reserved for those who served their country either in political office and/or military service. It's wrong for Corbett to order this. It's actually appalling and a slap in the face to many who have served our country with honor.
N.P.
3:53 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
He did serve our country in, I believe, the last year of WWII. He is a veteran! Do your research.
LansdaleWatch
11:41 am on Monday, January 23, 2012
He deserve's that honor - He reported too someone - Job well done Joe,Job well done!
Kathryn Petz
8:49 am on Wednesday, January 25, 2012
He did the legal minimum and when Sandusky started showing up with kids (in violation of the minor slap on the wrist that Penn State issued) he stayed silent. Sandusky was even on campus the week before the Grand Jury report was released. If Sandusky disappeared after Paterno made his report I would say Paterno did all he could, but Sandusky kept coming on campus with kids and no one said a word.
Billie Bakhshi
11:45 am on Monday, January 23, 2012
I think it was nothing but a goofy political manuver on Corbett's part to ensure Penn State student and alumni votes.
Joepa was a football coach for crying out loud. True, won alot of games, andhe made Penn State a lot $, but is that what warrants a man half-mast status?
It would have been a more appropriate gesture to use half mast flags to honor and remember the six Marines killed in Afghanistan last week.
Candy Allebach
12:29 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
To Ms. Taylor, Joe Paterno did serve his country, according to the statement that was issued by his family yesterday. He deserves that honor. A person should not be judged by one episode in their life, but what they have contributed during their lifetime. Remember, you should not judge, less you be judged also. Rest in peace, Mr. Paterno and God hold his family in the palm of his hand.
Marc L.
12:35 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
Lee Harvey Oswalt was a U.S Marine and they didn't fly the flags at half-mast when he died. Granted his one "episode" was a bit bigger than Paterno's.
The point is, Paterno should not receive the same honor as those who died serving their country. Paterno was a football coach and a philanthropist, but he made a really bad decision that, in my mind, prevents him from being deserving of this honor.
Mary Keptke
1:12 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
Marc you really should listen to what you are writing. Joe was a hero to many. He helped and changed for the better the lives of many, many people. Hindsight is 20/20. Look back on your life Marc, can you say that everything you have done in the past could not be looked at with the same jaundiced eye you are viewing JoePa's by. Even the state's prosecutor said that Joe was the only person who did the right thing and he couldn't understand why he was fired. It's funny, John Bonheim from Syracuse, had a much smaller staff and Fine was actually still working from him, yet he still has his job, even after he criticized the victims. Maybe it is because ESPN knew about it for 9 years.
I hope JoePa rests in peace. he was a great man and he deserves every honor.
Marc L.
1:21 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
I don't dispute the fact that Joe Paterno was a hero to many. Michael Vick is a hero to many, as well. I think that we, as a society, elevate people upon a certain pedastal beyond even what makes sense. I do not dispute the fact that Paterno did some truly wonderful things during his time at Penn State, on the field as well as off the field. Where I find fault is the way that Corbett is honoring Paterno with something that is normally reserved for those who died in service of this country. Joe Paterno, as great as a coach as he was, did not serve this country in a way that is fitting of such an honor.
tedtaylor
1:00 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
Can always count on you Marc. Comparing Lee Harvey Oswald to Joe Paterno. You really need to get a life. As a long-time college AD JoePa did exactly what I'd have expected my coach's to do. But before you condemn someone ask yourself what you'd do? And then when you have an answer, ask yourself what you'd "really" do.
Marc L.
1:27 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
I was not comparing Oswalt to Paterno. I was comparing the idea that one mistake or event among many is all it takes sometimes to tarnish the reputation of an individual. I am not perfect, but never in my life have I ever done something that allowed the rape of children to continue. I've asked myself what I would do -- what I would "REALLY" do -- and that answer is always "Whatever it takes to make it stop." If I were Paterno I would have done a heck of a lot more than report to my bosses and plug my eyes and wear blinders as if nothing happened. Sadly, this man's reputation was not 1/10th of what it should have been upon his passing.
Marc L.
1:36 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
And I apologize...it's Oswald. Must have Oswalt on the brain being a Phillies fan.
Steven H. Brush
1:15 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
Never knew that flying flags at half staff is an honor reserved only for those who served in the military. Although Paterno did sernve in the military for ine year during World War II.
Marc L.
1:27 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
Steven: According to the Gettysburg Flag Works:
•Only the president of the United States or the governor of the state may order the flag to be at half-staff to honor the death of a national or state figure.
•In addition to the traditional half-staff salutes when proclaimed by the President, the Flag Code mentions the use of our Flag for honoring citizens who have died, especially government officials and prominent citizens. However, the Flag Code does not exclude any citizen, whether they belong to an organization or not, whether they are recognized very locally or regionally. Examples of deceased citizens that might be honored with by lowering the Flag to half-staff include local religious leaders, youth leaders, honored teachers or sports coaches, local politicians, or a local hero. There need be no authorization from the government for the private sector (non-government) to use the Flag to honor any citizen. It is important to note that the Flag Code is a code, it is intended to provide guidance and is not obligatory. It carries no civil or criminal penalties for "misuse" of the Flag. Individual are not acting illegally when using the Flag according to their own usage. Only on government / public building is the flag code required to be followed.
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So that is not to say that the honor is given ONLY for those who died while serving the country, but it is an honor that is usually reserved for those who have.
Gregory L. Vince
1:32 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
It's outrageous and a disgrace.
People have every right to remember Paterno how they would like to remember him. On one side, you have the folks who would like to remember him as an icon in college sports, maybe even THE icon of college sports. On the other side, there are folks who feel he really dropped the ball on how he handled matters (or chose not to handle the matters) concerning the sexual abuse of children under his assistant coach. Both opinions are valid I suppose but having known the latter, I'm not sure how even the greatest sports achievements outweigh the bad.
Paterno himself admitted he should have done more. I would like to believe that and none of us can claim to be guilt free of having a lapse in judgement. It's unfortunate that it ended this way for him. I would like to think he was better than this. However it's also wrong to celebrate all his achievements even after death knowing what we now know. It's wrong to portray him as a hero worthy of a flag at half mast. If what was done was worthy of him being terminated from his job which is where his icon status was built, it should be worthy of his passing being a reason to leave the flags where they are.
It's just not right for those who suffered.
Marc L.
1:36 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
Well said!
Janet Miner
1:40 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
Although I do know that Joe Pa has done a lot of great and generous things for Penn State and the students he has mentored I don't see the Governor flying the flag at half staff for all the Pennsylvanians that have been and will be killed during times of war or conflict. Why is Joe Pa more important than them?????
Sally
10:18 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
stick to the topic
tedtaylor
1:49 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
It's all so sad. But Marc, saying ":if I were Paterno" as if you ever could be. And therein lies the problem. None of us are/were Paterno and we really have no clue what we'd do until confronted. To say otherwise is to be dishonest.
Marc L.
1:54 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
I disagree. There is no dishonesty in saying I would have handled it differently. There's no dishonesty in saying HE should have handled it differently, either. Even Paterno himself said he wished he did more. I can say, without any shadow of a doubt, that I would have handled it differently. If I were in the same position as Paterno, I would have contacted the authorities on the spot. I do agree with you that it's all very sad, but sad doesn't make up for it.
You said: "But Marc, saying ':if I were Paterno' as if you ever could be"
I think it's a wonderful thing that I am not Paterno. I would never want to do anything to sour my reputation like he did before his passing. Please don't confuse your own morality with mine. Just because you may not have done more doesn't mean that others wouldn't.
Marguerite Sexton
2:01 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
Nobody ordered the flags flown at half-staff for the victims of the disaster known as the "Penn State Sex Abuse Scandal". Thank you, Marc. Too bad Ted Taylor feels the need to be snarky and condescending.
Sally
10:19 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
it's so sad, i know
tedtaylor
2:37 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
Snarky? Good one Marge. Nice to know you are still shooting arrows my way. What reputation is that you wouldn't sour Marc? Just wondering.
Marc L.
2:44 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
Despite what disagreements you have to my opinions based on what comments I've made on Patch, Ted, I have a pretty good reputation at both of my jobs, in my community, with my friends and with my family. I was an honor roll student, I graduated from Central High and from Temple U, I've never been in trouble with the law, and I even have great credit. If you want to pay the money to do a background check on me, go right ahead. But you'll find that my reputation is quite good.
Or are reputations only available to "published authors" and college professors? (There's no big enough eye-roll for this one)
Donna Picotta
4:56 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
Marc: You have too much time on your hands. You either work for Corbett or you have barely ventured from your Broad Street educashun. Think of all the inner city kids Paterno turned around and made into good products in society. The Gov is just trying to get people like you to think he had nothing to do with this and he was using this as a good excuse to "detour" others from remembering he was the AG when all this started. He could have put an end to it almost 10 years prior. I hope you weren't on the payroll when you were writing your messages!!
Marc L.
5:06 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
I can assure you, Donna, that I'm most definitely not on Corbett's payroll (in fact, I didn't even vote for him as Governor). You can attack my education all you want, but the fact of the matter is -- while Paterno did some great things to help make the lives better for children of ALL socio-economic backgrounds, there are ten specific children I have in mind whose best interests he ignored. What he failed to do in light of knowing about Sandusky is a terrible thing and I don't think someone who would do that deserves to have the U.S. Flag fly at half-staff in his honor.
I still have no idea where you are getting the idea that the governor is trying to get "people like me to forget he had nothing to do with this" when it's Corbett's actions that are bringing this to light once more. Your argument makes no sense. What do you mean you hope I wasn't on the payroll when writing my messages? Whose payroll? What messages?
I know you're drinking from the Paterno Kool-Aid, but I also think someone spiked yours with something. Take a breath. Chill. It'll help make your comments make more sense.
Margie Hopf
1:55 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012
Thank you Donna. My thoughts exactly regarding if Corbett would have done his job years ago, this whole situation could have been handled a lot differently. Corbett turned a blind eye to the allegations to further his political career. Since he has been governor he has continued to hurt the children of this state with all his education budget cuts. On the other hand, Joe Paterno did what he should have by reporting the allegation to his superiors. And Joe has contributed mllions of his own money to help Pennsylvania students. My daughters are students at Penn State and are always in the Paterno Library. Joe Paterno is and always will be PENN STATE. RIP, JOE!
Mary Keptke
9:59 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
Marc I really wish you would read before you comment. Joe Paterno only heard about one child not 10 (and Mike Mcquery even said to the Grand Jury that he didn't tell Paterno everything). This is ignorance fueled by media designed to attract the lowest intellect in 40 second sound bites, stated as fact.
Marc L.
10:37 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
And Mary, I really wish you would stop deifying a man just because he was a good coach. Even if he knew of only one child, the fact that he did nothing means it is one child too much. The thought that only one child suffered based on the inaction of Paterno and the rest of the PSU football community who knew about Sandusky is the idea fueled not only by ignorance but also fueled by blind allegiance. I understand that you are a fan of Penn State and Joe Paterno and that it's unlikely there's anything he could have ever done that would be seen as wrong in your eyes -- but face the facts. There's a reason Paterno lost his job. This reason alone means he didn't deserve the honor bestowed upon him posthumously.
Mary Keptke
9:06 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012
Marc, not a football fan, did not go to Penn State. Did you ever eat chocolate or coffee that wasn't free trade or clothing produced in countries that do not have child labor laws? I bet you have. Then you are not doing all you can do to protect children. If your going to paint JoePa with a brush, paint yourself with one also. Or is it because it is only "American" children?
Marc L.
9:12 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012
You're really grasping at straws on this one. Comparing me eating a candy bar to Joe Paterno turning a blind eye towards sexual abuse is astoundingly obtuse. Do you need any more hay for that straw man you're building?
Azaz Leforte
10:03 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
Seriously? He was a FOOTBALL COACH! I am a football fan - but half mast for the entire state? This is absurd considering as a state we do not lower our flags for the PA National Guard members.
It is true that JP was important to Penn State - and that is where the flags can be held at half mast. In the end, it is inappropriate... outside of a PennState campus.
Joe Ferraro
10:06 pm on Monday, January 23, 2012
How about this:
Tom Corbett - you know the guy who drags his feet on investigating this mess gets impeached for malfeasance when he only put 1 - count them 1 - investigator on the series of underlying crimes.
Now that he is Governor he is looking to cover his tracks by getting his version of a Papal blessing for the HUGE mistake he made.
I bet Tom is figuring - if people are looking at a half-mast flag - maybe - just maybe we get to forget about those kids a little quicker.
JoePa got what he got in this life - the banquets and allocades.
I don't want to think about what he gets in the next one.
Tammy Budd
7:12 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012
Corbett is an ass! Why did he take away Joe's nomination for the Presidental Medal of Freedom and now when he passes away, "let's fly the flag at half staff". You know where Corbett can stick his flag pole!!
Azaz Leforte
9:54 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012
Funny, I think this has been summed up. Political affiliations notwithstanding, Corbett is an ass. This is a lame political move that is being made too late. Lest we forget, Corbett is on the BOT of Penn State.
Regardless of how good or bad a guy has been, this sort of honoring is not something done for football coaches - even those who essentially built and brought a university to prominence. To me, this rings hollow and too late to be meaningful...which makes insulting to those who have laid down their lives for the Commonwealth.
Joe Koenig
10:11 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012
Funny Azaz, Corbett is an ass because he balanced the budget w/o raising taxes, he trying to allow an industry to get off the ground before taxing it out of existance, and he's not pandering to one of your favorite groups, the Teacher's Union, and holding our educational institutions accountable for their spending. I agree that flying the flag at half staff is lame, but gee whiz, your buddy Rendell never took politics into account when making decisions!!
Azaz Leforte
10:49 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012
Joe, you break my chops for nit picking. Let me elaborate. This action - half mast - is assinine. In this situation, he is being an ass.
The balanced budget...or the attempt there to is good work. However, in this case, he is an ass. This is about the flag lowering token coming from the guy who, as a member of the BOT, voted to fire Joe Pa. Corbett is making a weak attempt to make ammends for his decisions.
Thanks for projecting my views, but you are completely off base. Teacher's unions are out of control (see Neshaminy) and accountability is a good thing. The Chester situation is more complex, but the state did fail in this case).
Anyway, this is silly. Corbett should not have done it.
Tammy Budd
10:28 am on Tuesday, January 24, 2012
Corbett didn't hold the Chester Upland School accountable for their spending when he got a lawsuit filed against him for taking away their funding he's now giving them a payout in the millions--he's a joke!
Joe Koenig
12:24 pm on Tuesday, January 24, 2012
Azaz, thanks for elaborating.
Victor B. Krievins
3:19 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012
In all fairness to those who have received the honor of a flag being flown at half staff. the flying at half staff in this instance was inappropriate for the reasons previously discussed. There was certainly no reason why flags could not have been flown at PSU facilities instead,
tedtaylor
3:25 pm on Wednesday, January 25, 2012
Victor, the flag horse is dead. Stop beating it. The half-staff flags were the PA State flags only. The man deserved that for all he did in his lifetime of educating young people - not a questionable moment that no one will ever understand. I hope I don't awaken another rash of anti-Joe sentiments or worse anit Tom Corbett rants. This has gone on long enough.