But it is totally acceptable for Chestnut Hill/Manayunk Obama 2012 Team to post their propoganda?

Hypocrites.

You all should move back to Chicago with Obama when he leaves office in January.

Make sure you flag the plugs for Obama.

Catherine - FEMA isn't doing much but supporting the States - which is as it should be

FEMA is constitutional, as it aids the states which are guaranteed a republican (small "r", for those of you who are confused) form of government and here an APPROPRIATE use of Article I section 8 for the "United States", not the "people".

Not scared at all, I think Obama will crush Romney in the electoral college. They also have 0% chance of gaining a majority in the Senate. If anything Romney is the one exhibiting desperate behavior. Rs are just going to have to deal with the fact that they nominated perhaps one of the most dishonest, secretive and baggage laden candidates in history.
Show us your tax returns already Mitt, not everyone gets all their info from Fox News.

David, what exactly do you think you will gain by seeing Romney's tax returns? Do you think maybe the IRS missed something that you would not? Besides not releasing his tax returns, what part of Romney's life is secretive? How long have people been digging anf digging only to find nothing? Open your eyes - Obama, the one who was to be the most transparent in history, has in fact been the most secretive in history.

Tim, as far as taxes go please read:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/paul-abrams/what-romneys-hiding-its-t_b_1908104.html
The other obvious example would be what tax deductions he would eliminate. Big secret there.
Secrets and lies, and yes lacking enough common sense to strap his dog to the roof of his car for 1100 miles= poor nominee.

http://liberallogic101.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/liberal-logic-101-207.jpg

We are as entitled to Obama's college transcripts as we are to Romney's 2010 tax return... that is to say, not at all.

For those of us who have lived through or spent time immediately after a catastrophic event know that a State alone could not financially afford to take care of its self. It takes a much wider population to help financially support States.

Just look at the amount of federal support the Southern states depend on and have depended on for years.

Earnest, Wal-Mart arrived in New Orleans long before FEMA and had the supplies that the community needed. Romney believes that states acting independently can handle the response to a vast East Coast storm better than Washington. He is not suggesting to starve the states of Federal dollars in order to accomplish what they must. His out-of-the-box thinking confuses many Dems, I see that in these threads.

Dems that fail even to consider how markets or decentralization can improve performance. It is the same story with Medicare. They have a model — as old fashioned and obsolete as it is — and they’re sticking with it. Forward?

Andrew, I thought I would provide an answer to your question since I partially agree with Catherine. Under FEMA the State is in control. FEMA provides assets and the States control application of those assets. One asset is money for emergency service, repairing, and rebuilding. No single state has the assets to pay for damages like NJ incurred from Sandy. FEMA can so it because amount to shared risk among. Every one pays in so the the damaged can be helped. Its the same principle as Insurance.

When Romney was asked he actually wanted to "privatize FEMA". Can you imagine what Disaster Relief for Profit would look like. States (like LA where they left thousands of buses to flood and did not evacuate people or NJ where the flood shelter was ONE BLOCK FROM THE OCEAN) do not always know best.

Under your idea, Al Gore would have won in 2000 as he won the popular vote in that election. Something tells me you were all for the electoral college then though.

I wish that logic was in place in 2000 when the supreme court appointed Bush president.

Gore vs Bush. Small states would never eliminate the Electoral college because candidates would NEVER go to their states. Things are fine the way they are and Obama will win both the popular and electoral votes.

Marx grouped gambling in with religion as an "opiate of the masses". That's not very socialist of you.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

OK. Fair enough. I myself have lived through some "events" but haven't necessarily had a bad experience with recovery. That said, I know some volunteers who tried to help out with recovering from Katrina and they said FEMA was an absolute nightmare. Maybe the locals would have been worse, I don't know.

FEMA was a disaster under Bush, but still the only logical game in town for such a monumental disaster. I have confidence that Obamas selection will handle things better.
http://m.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/10/michael-brown-should-really-just-go-away

Andrew Wilt, the reason that FEMA was an absolute nightmare during Katrina is that "heck of a job Brownie" was nothing more than a horse show judge and completely unqualified for the job.

yet the government is utterly failing. Those in Coney Island (which was ravaged) have seen no one from government/FEMA yet since the storm. A non-profit showed up there yesterday and is working with the churches. They have bands of thugs which they are now calling "Wolfpacks" who have looted the pharmacies and are breaking into homes where people are bunkered down. Again, the government is nowhere to be found. It is the churches and this non-profit that will get Coney Island back on their feet. These are the stories the lame stream media refuses to tell because they don't want Obama to look bad. And still as we bicker on here those people are locked in their homes afraid of the wolf pack. I just bought a van full or water, flashlights and food to take to the Philadelphia area to help out. What have you done my dear? Yeah, just sit there and nag. I'm doing something. I dont expect the government to help anyone because they stink at it and Coney Island is testimony to that.

You crack me up Jack. Can I offer you a suggestion. On election night please watch the results from a single story dwelling. i am just afraid Jack that you might do something rash when this election is called by 10:30. Oh yes stay away from sharp objects also.

Both parties lie. Both parties cover each others lies with silence. Getting elected is all they care about. Both will send us to ruin as well. Where is the discussion on the big issues that confront America? Why debate these meaningless details? Oh, right, "the majority" is always right. Lets exclude other views forever ( RNC rule 16), they just make it harder to fool the voters.

Did your history professors at Penn leave out the chapter on the collapse of the credit markets in 2008 and did your Econ prof. forget to mention all of the job losses at the end of the Bush admin. Does your Poli Sci prof. really believe that Romney is leading with women? Sorry Marybeth, I choose to live in a fact based world.
I apologize for the remark about homeschooling. Sometimes my frustration with who totally forget what the last R administration did to our country shows more than it should.
Just a quick question does your son think it is smart to strap a dog to the roof of a car for 1100 mlies? Do you want a person capable of such callous disregard to run our military and God forbid sent our children off to war?

PS I deleted that remark, sorry

David thanks for the apology.

But there you go again with the Bush did this bush did that....my goodness was he emperor or does Congress have any responsibility at all in anything? Bush wasn't even there when they deregulated Glass Steagal - Clinton was. Blame him if you want. He too wasn't solely responsible. That is my point. Stop blaming and start solving. Obama only blames others. he should blame himself. he voted for the budgets and spending. My profs at Penn taught me to think for myself, do research, identify problems and implement solutions. name calling and blaming is not a solution any more than hope was.

And really the dog story? Ok, I will change my vote because someone or some parent did something silly. Please can we talk about issues that matter. Obama attended the church of a racist minister. I am not claiming Obama is racist. I am saying he is in over his head and has failed.

From where did you get your history schooling, David? Right. Makes sense. Blame Republicans. Except, it was no policy of Bush-Cheney. The credit goes to Bill Clinton (link below, he blames himself for starting it with the derivatives and banking de-regulation) and Barney Frank-lead Democrat Congress with Fannie-Freddie. Bush didn't crash the credit markets in 2008. Dems did. Bush tried to warn them twice, in 2003 and both he and McCain tried again in 2007. I do fault Bush for not fighting the Dems harder on their voter base pandering lending policy changes. Dems fought at won, see them cheering on youtube, to ensure every American can get a home (regardless of ability to repay mortgage loans).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyqYY72PeRM Dems in their own words

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIm5Mp-mmRU Barney Frank getting ripped

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2010/04/clinton-rubin-and-summers-gave-me-wrong-advice-on-derivatives-and-i-was-wrong-to-take-it/ Clinton admitting fault

Assign blame where it's due, David, and don't try to re-write history. Also vote for the qualified guys to fix this mess that Obama has only made significantly worse. Tell the truth. He has. He has had 4 years 2 of which he had a Congressional Dem majority. What did he do? Push through the biggest entitlement program in US history with Senate leader Nancy Pelosi admitting they hadn't even read it.

The dog story is so outrageously stupid I feel it merits attention. If you want something more sinister than I refer you to the remarks he made about 47% in a closed meeting. That taken with the continual stream of lies, makes him a very poor canidate indeed. Marybeth, I would not buy a used car from this guy let alone vote him to the highest office in the land. He does not have the integrity the job demands. Not as the dogstory demonstrates the judgement.

Shoud be nor not not, iPhones while eating lunch is not a good combination. :)

I see you and Jack "Off" Minster are both from Phoenixville and post about the same times....coordinated "attacks" or mere coincidence? Your comments don't have much in the way of substance but you both are snarky and do attack a lot.

Hmm....

Obama sits in church with an admitted racist reverend for 20 years and you THINK romney's dog story shows bad judgement? WOW!

David do you know your Iphone (mine too) was made in China with outsourced labor?

Check out what one of Obama's job council members has to say about something that matters...jobs.

Intel CEO Paul Otellini, a member of President Barack Obama’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.

Mr. Otellini’s relationship with the president has been hot-and-cold since Mr. Obama took office. In 2010, he criticized the administration for failing to generate more robust job growth. He was particularly critical of the stimulus.

Reagan and Bush both lied about smaller government. It is a bipartisan issue. Say and promise anything to get elected works because voters have low standards and prove time and again they are asleep. Arguing over details is not moving forward.

"Word is". Sounds like you took a page out of Harry Reid's book. It's out there, right? Citation needed.

Stephen, this was months ago and it was all over the real news, you honestly didn't see it? It is sad how conservatives continue to think they can lie to voters and win.

This is a new ad, Lisa. Are you from the FUTURE?

No, Romney did not "overpay" anything, and if he did, well then, by his own words he is not "qualified" to be President. I suggest you get your talking points straight before you try to debate with those of us who are actually informed and do research. Romney's tax return is a treasure chest of entitlements and tax shelters. Anyone who isn't able to understand that has no business commenting on it.

Wait "Romney did not overpay" followed by "if he did" Which is it?

Paying more than you are required makes him not "qualified'

Phew! What does that make Obama then? Try to string together some coherent thoughts with some facts pleases.

Marybeth, the "if he did" is a comment on Romney's statement that "if he overpaid his taxes he wasn't qualified to be President", Romney did not, in fact, overpay his taxes, he very likely way way underpaid due to the issue of the "missing" $7 million in income, it was on the estimated return but mysteriously gone from the final. Quite the "mistake", so no WAY he underpaid.

Everyone who has a mortgage has enjoyed a treasure trove of a tax shelter.

You are a CPA and you see "shenanigans" I am a finance professional and I am not familiar with "shenanigans" Enlighten us please. I'm sure none of your clients use the tools the tax code offers to pay as little as possible. In fact, I bet all of your clients don't even itemize.

Actually Marybeth, anyone with a basic knowledge of tax code regulations could spot the irregularities, and now Bloomberg has picked up on one issue I pointed out last month, the highly questionable transactions regarding the "foundation" to which the Romney's "donate" and from which they take "distributions", and in this manner avoided paying taxes.

As to your reverting to conservative insults, I can assure you, having been in business for over 13 years, my clients do very well. And yes, we use tax strategy, if you read my essay you will see, I point out that most likely, the Romney's aren't doing anything illegal, but highly unethical, how did they "lose" $3,000,000 in rent income? You either got paid those funds or you did not, its a cash basis item for most taxpayers, do what happened? It was on the estimated return but not the final. And other irregularities as well, which yes, many in the tax profession jokingly refer to as "shenanigans", people playing games to avoid paying taxes. Again, they may have found a "legal" machination to employ, but to get rid of $7,000,000 in income, most likely serious ethical issues at play.

Actually Jack, you seem to be a typical conservative, when you can't make a valid point, you devolve into an adolescent insult machine. I have my own consulting firm, I am a CPA, I own two homes and do just fine.

I support our President and will help him get reelected because he is doing a good job, despite the infantile obstructionists in the House & Senate.

And not that you'll get this irony, but I have a financial management company, all I do is help people make money. What do you do?

Lisa, I suggest you give Jack's boss (see below) a call and let him know that he spends hours everyday posting this political propaganda on the company dime. I plan on calling and mailing Mr. Varano print outs of all these posts with the date and times as well.

I just hope Jack doesn't come asking "big government" for unemployment benefits when he is canned.

Richard do you do anything but call people names? Seriously, grow up you petulant little man. I'm going to call his boss and tell him he has a true professional working for him that unlike you does his research and backs up his comments. You don't have to agree but show some respect and courtesy.

More reasons I dislike Obama and Democrats. They whine and blame and nothing gets fixed.

Marybeth, so you are OK with people posting political propaganda ALL DAY LONG on their companies dime? How is that any different than the "welfare deadbeats" you complain about?

PS - I'm pretty sure you are a DUDE pretending to be a woman online. A common online tactic among Republicans.

See ya', wouldn't want to be ya', DUDE!

just wondering....how do you know who he is and where he works?

hey Richard -- quit being such a jerk... as i said in another thread where you posted this info, it's entirely inappropriate... if people like Jack want to post "political propaganda ALL DAY LONG on their companies dime" that's their own business... and what the hell is that comment about Marybeth being a dude instead of a woman? is that supposed to be funny?

i am saddened by the fact that the person whose Patch posts have made me the angriest today (you) is someone with whom i obviously share very similar political beliefs... but we apparently diverge on morals, privacy, and freedom of speech...

Marybeth speaking of scoops, how about that whooper you told about Romney leading with women voters. Please find some documentation for that, or apologise for lying. K

Uh, google?

If you are going to be an online troll and post during work hours, it's not wise to post under your real name with a picture of yourself. Especially when you are listed under multiple web sites as a sales person with a specific company.

I think your Rhetoric prof. at Penn would have to give you a "pants on fire" grade there Marybeth. Are you sure you did not go to the Goebbels Institute of Propaganda?

Really so the AP is lying and not you! You must have google on your Iphone that was made in China by outsourced jobs so you can look it up.

Care to provide a link to a valid source for your poll data?

Come on DUDE, bring some facts to the table! DUDES pretending to be women online posting support for Romney does not equal the gender gap closing. Is your plan to wear a wig and try to vote twice (once as a man and once as a woman) next Tuesday?

Thanks for the laughs DUDE!

I have not seen the poll you suggest Marybeth, it certainly was not on poll tracker. The fox poll from 10/30 has Romney down by 8 points with women.
As a matter of logic would you trust a poll that varies by 16 points in one month. A person with common sense would dismiss such a fluctuarion. i think you are the out-"liar" here Marybeth. And those are your numbers not mine.

Hey-would-u-blow-me?, very clever. In Jacks words: you are the Romney electorate.

I'm pretty sure you are actually Jack posting under a different name....

Good luck with that.

Peace out.

So you were fired a while ago huh?

I have not problem meeting you face to face for a "discussion" but not a polling place. You'll just call the cops and say I'm trying to prevent you from voting or some such nonsense.

Name a place in the Phoenixville area and I'll be there to give you a chance to say this stuff to my face.

So now you are quoting Bush's book, Decision Points, as fact? LMFAO!

Name a time and place besides a voting station on election day punk! You want to call me flith and a coward, here is a chance to say it to my face. Put up or shut up!

What so many here are missing is the undeniable fact that in 2008, 54% of likely voters identified as Democrat or lean Democrat. 42% of likely voters identified as GOP or lean GOP. In other words, the electorate, including independents who lean towards a particular party, was D+12. This year, however, the Democrat advantage has disappeared. 49% of likely voters today identify as GOP or lean GOP. Just 46% of likely voters are or lean towards the Democrats. This is a 15-point swing towards the GOP from 2008 to an outright +3 advantage for the GOP. By comparison, in 2004, when Bush won reelection, the electorate was evenly split, with each party getting support from 48% of likely voters.

Interesting treatment of party politics. There is just one thing I can't figure out. Why does the Republican Party seem to attract hateful rascists like Farteen? What are you thoughts on the matter?

Well, everyone is still entitled to his or her opinion. I don't think Obama would agree with the opinions you mention. They certainly do not confirm to his own opinions. I for one never indulge in guilt by association commentary. I might have to indict myself if I did.

Great news. How can people possibly support Obama when we've seen:

Unemployment over 8% for 43 months (more than all other Presidents since 1948 combined)

Played 100 rounds of golf, shattering previous Presidential records

Labor force participation now at 63.5% (lowest in 30 years)

Median household income down $4,500

Over 5 trillion dollars added to the national debt under Obama (more than any other President)

Addressed Congress only 6 times

Poverty rate over 15% (highest in 19 years)

Poverty rate now over 26% for Hispanic Americans

Over 27% Black Americans now in Poverty

Justification for Obamacare estimated by the Congressional Budget Office to cost 1.93 trillion dollars

Taking 716 billion dollars out of Medicare

Took 663 flights on Marine One (out of 980 work days since taking office)

Made 23 foreign trips repeatedly skipping Israel

Passed Healthcare Reform without Democrat Senators reading it

23 Million Unemployed or Underemployed

47 Million on Food Stamps

5.5 Million Homes in Crisis/Foreclosure

100% Increase in Gas Prices

Can you believe it?

Hbf, you do know Obama is as white as he is black? Like Jack says you are the Romney electorate. Keep up the good work Hbf,just cleanup your Klan robes a little bit-looks like you might have a tea stain or 2 on it.

Obama has a history of hanging around with white hating and racist reverends. This guy was at his inauguration. Obama must have very poor judgement.

Reverend wright was his pastor and friend for 20 years and married him. He is a racist. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree

"GOD DAMN AMERICA"

"White America USA of KKK?"

Not someone a President should be hanging out

How can anyone vote for this man? Disgusting

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwQWuQVE6sw

Pretty weak calling people racists because they oppose the President, don't you think? It's what people do when they have no rational arguments.

Your right Steve, Hbf is the asshat that brought up race and clearly has no rational argument. Good call.

You're not nearly as clever as you think you are, David. Google this: Dunning-Kruger.

No thanks, Steve. I don't just google for anyone. I am just curious what attracts people like Hbf to the R party. Do you agree with Farteens opinions?

Do crackpots like you ever stop setting up a straw man?

Jimminy Crickets Hbf, have you and the boys been drinking shine again and talking about the good ole days when lynching was legal ( or almost) or are you just manic because your mom is telling you to go to bed?